Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 12:45:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Norm's posts


--- Mikalac Norman S NSSC <MikalacNS-AT-navsea.navy.mil>
wrote:
> my take is that individuals, particularly those with
> much power, change
> groups of people ("society" is an example) and
> vice-versa.  why does it have
> to be just one way or the other?
> 

Norm: 

Both have the capacity to change and influence one
another.  But which emerges from which?  Which sets
the limits of the other?  

I entered a world of capitalist social relations which

where not determined by me and my buddies, yet i have
the capacity to join with others to fight to transform
this society.


Also, concerning your other post,  I think Hans was
trying to make an argument against strict determinism.
 We as AGENTS interrupt the supposed chain of causes
and effects since the big bang*.  Bhaskar can ask Hans
to raise his hand and disrupt this supposed chain
(since Hans 3 seconds beforehand was never even going
to raise his hand)  and create a new chain of causes
and new effects.  All this, however, takes place
within the LIMITS of physical, chemical, and natural
laws.

-Victor
*Personally, i don't really believe in the big bang,
but that doesn't matter for this argument.

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