Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 00:57:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Long live m2! --PLEASE READ



Jon:

The liquidation of m2 is high-handed. M2 didn't only "make sense in light
of m1": it was the continuation of the old Marxism list before the looms
took over. I, like many other participants, rather like this community,
and I'd like it to coninue under some name or other. 

--Justin 

On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Gerald Levy wrote:

> Jon Beasley-Murray wrote:
> 
> > There will be a general list called marxism-general, which will be
> > unmoderated.  There will also be a wide-ranging list called
> > marxism-international, moderated by Zeynep, Jon Flanders and Louis
> > Godena.
> 
> This represents a change in what we were told a little while ago. We were
> told that there would be two "wide-ranging" lists  -- 1 unmoderated and 1
> with a number of rules that Hans described. Now "marxism-international" is
> intended, I gather, to fulfill the function of the second (which was
> itself intended to be the successor to m2). Quite frankly, I'm not
> interested in m-int -- given that the people who are its moderators were
> formerly advocates of m1.
> 
> > marxism2 *will* disappear.  This is for a couple of reasons:
> > i.  we really did want to start this enterprise from scratch
> > ii. though m2 has created something of a community, its "charter" (such
> > as it is) is vague and doesn't really make sense without the simultaneous
> > existence of marxism[1], to which it was originally counterposed (as
> > supplement and contrast).
> 
> You're not listening. A *lot* of people on m2 want to either continue m2
> or have some space similar to m2 in the sense that it will be a general
> list.
> 
> > However, we do think it's important that the kinds of discussions that
> > interest those on m2 will continue; we expect that they will do so on
> > marxism-and-sciences and marxism-theory above all (though maybe some will
> > also be interested in the other emerging lists--marxism-feminism or
> > the suggested post-marxist and marxism-culture lists, for example).
> 
> This simply perpetuates the false charge against m2 that we are only
> interested in theory and science.
> 
> > Again, I want to emphasize that in no way are these to be mutually
> > exclusive--we just don't want to think only at the level of the lists,
> > but in terms of a broader conception of a marxism space.
> 
> On a broader level, this list was founded primarily by those who emigrated
> from m1 in search of a space where we could continue to discuss issues
> of general interest to marxism (but would be free from some of the
> problems that we witnessed on m1). Now, we are told that the plug *will*
> be pulled on m2 and no space will be created in which we can continue to
> have this dialogue.
> 
> Long live m2!
> 
> Jerry
> 
> 
> 
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