File spoon-archives/marxism2.archive/marxism2_1996/96-06-08.010, message 63


Date: Mon, 27 May 1996 01:47:32 +0000
Subject: Re: waiting for Godel


Barkley,
Quantum mechanics and zen is probably a reference to _the Tao of 
physics_.  Self-referencing or self-observation sounds like what some 
people say about consciousness [not only the artificial kind].

But for the moment let's say there are some parallels to be drawn 
between Godel, Escher and Bach.  My next question is -- so what?  Is 
this supposed to mean something, or what?  

Curious,
Lisa


ROSSERJB-AT-jmu.edu wrote:
> 
> To Ralph D.:
>      I didn't notice lots of ramblings about quantum mechanics
> or Zen masters in Hofstadter.  It is true that the issue of
> self-referencing is central to a lot of pomo ramblings.  But
> that does not mean it is not a serious issue.  It is indeed
> at the heart of Godel's Theorem and is at the heart of serious
> debates in artificial intelligence.  One can dismiss discussions
> of Escher and Bach if one finds them too far out.  But there is
> serious stuff in Hofstadter.
> Barkley Rosser
> 
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