Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 09:29:36 +0100
Subject: Re: M-TH: The genuinity of the genuine


Justin wrote:

>The phrase goes, quis custodiet ipsos custodes. Who will guard the guards
>themselves? (Juvenal, Satires.) --jks
>
>On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Tom Condit wrote:
>
>> "Known Zubatovists, agent provocateurs, and professional denigrators of the
>> proletariat, communism, and socialist and democratic revolution need not
>> apply. All genuinely progressive people need not fear discrimination on
>> account of any genuine discrepancies."
>>
>> How does that Latin phrase go, "Quis cusdodiet custodien?" Something like
>> that anyway.
>>
>> Accept no doctrines without this seal of genuineness!


And while we're being cultural (not on M-I, the three-post limit frowns on
these little sparklers that lighten up the gloom), let's give the whole
hexameter quote:

	'Pone seram, cohibe.' Sed quis custodiet ipsos
	Custodes? Cauta est et ab illis incipit uxor.

	['Bolt her in, keep her indoors.' But who is to guard the guards
	themselves? Your wife arranges accordingly and begins with them.]

	(Oxford Dict Quot -- as are the quotes below)

Other famous phrases from Juvenal:

	*  Difficile est saturam non scribere.

	[It's hard not to write satire.]


	*  Nemo repente fuit turpissimus.

	[No one ever suddenly became depraved.]


	*  ... Duas tantum res anxius optat,
	Panem et circenses.

	[Only two things does he worry about or long for -- bread and the

	big match.]


	Orandum est ut sit mens sana in corpore sano.

	[You should pray to have a sound mind in a sound body.]


Vale,

Hugh










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