Subject: Re: censorship
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:02:22 -0800



Does Enimen justify any 'dumpster diving'?

He must be too wealthy for that.

Personally I want to hear a lot more of Radiohead. I like
getting head from a radio if the muzak is gggooood! Most Rap
Music is really video music which exposes women at their
most submissive and dominated. Rather dull kind of sales
technique.

How many women work in Rap music?

No many...

Mi Can YOU believe it man



Subject: Re: censorship


no, I don't find his work distasteful, taste or morals don't
come into it.
I disagree with him against a framework of ideas.  For
instance, although he
constantly goes on about 'faggots' to the point of
obsession, that they are
threatening, frightening others, at one point he has a
recorded track where
his male friends are giving him head.  Emminem is clearly
riven with
contradiction of a rather juvenile kind.  Yes, its kinda
funny, but I think
maybe a 14 yr old would be highly amused, I hardly think a
person of my age
would bat an eyelid and just hope that he can sort it all
out and make an
album which addresses some more meaningful issues.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Crifasi" <crifasi-AT-hotmail.com>
To: <heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: censorship


> Paul Murphy wrote:
>
> >I see your point, but I don't agree with you.  What you
are saying is
> >something similar to the enemy of enemy is my friend.  I
disagree with
what
> >Emminem says, but  I don't believe in censoring him and
that doesn't give
> >me
> >any common ground with conservatives.
>
> And you did it a SECOND time, Paul. I never said that you
believe in
> censoring him. I said that the reason you do not like (not
censor) him is
> the same reason used by conservatives who want to censor
him: the explicit
> things he says. Conservatives conclude that he should
therefore be
censored,
> while you only express a distaste, but the REASON is the
same: what he
> explicitly says. And that is the mistake I am pointing
to - looking only
at
> the explicit and not what lies beneath.
>
> Anthony Crifasi
>
>
>   Recently, a EU wide law was going to
> >make holocaust denial illegal but the UK opposed it on
the basis of free
> >speech, the UK being a liberal democracy, not a social
democracy as many
of
> >the EU countries putatitively are.  Will this make those
EU countries
> >Totalitarian regimes?  In the UK a Islamic cleric has
been gaoled for
> >thought crimes, under the rubric of incitement to hatred,
is this
> >Totalitarianism?  It pretty much looks like it.
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Anthony Crifasi" <crifasi-AT-hotmail.com>
> >To: <heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
> >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 5:37 PM
> >Subject: Re: censorship
> >
> >
> > > Paul Murphy wrote:
> > >
> > > >I'm not a conservative, although I find what he says
objectionable,
he
> >has
> > > >the right to say it.  So why are you calling me a
conservative when
> >that
> >is
> > > >clearly not my stated position?
> > >
> > > Oh geez Paul! Look at what I wrote. I didn't say you
were a
> >conservative.
> >I
> > > said that "you are making precisely the mistake that
so many
> >conservatives
> > > make," because they also "look only at the explicit,
and not the
> >meaning."
> > > To say that you are making the same mistake that many
conservatives
make
> >is
> > > not to say that you are a conservative!
> > >
> > > >You are attempting to lump everyone who
> > > >disagrees with you into a conservative bracket, but
the truth is that
> >you
> > > >are the conservative, celebrating junk and trivia
like Emminem,
> >celebrating
> > > >his right to 'free speech' as if what an idiot like
Emminem says is
of
> >any
> > > >interest to any sane or sophisticated person.  Why
don't you try
taking
> > > >some
> > > >constipation tablets, maybe that verbal diahorrea
will empty out of
> >your
> > > >system....PM
> > >
> > > I don't know what your definition of a sophisticated
person is, but I
> >can
> > > guess that it does not include making simple mistakes
like conflating
> >being
> > > conservative with sharing an error with conservatives.
> > >
> > > Anthony Crifasi
> > >
> > >
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