Subject: Re: censorship
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:28:43 +0100


yes, but if Eminem was the product of '60s hedonism, why do you celebrate
this fascoid scumbag who so blatantly celebrates the joys of homophobia,
cruelty and killing of women and the rest of his crude, asswipe
pseudo-philosophy, white trashdom in its ultimacy?  The thing that Emminem
failed to learn was that toilet roll is not for writing poems on, no it is
for wiping ones ass, and that's what I do with Emminem's music, in fact I
don't do that, I simply ignore it....The 60s gave us some progression, even
if lots of it looks silly today, it is a Hell of a lot better looking than
the antics of Bushdom and the rest of the 'brick in the wall' lunatics
composing his junta.  So-called 'politicians' like Rumsfeld, Chaney et al
who look like a day trip of escaped child molesters.  Honestly, how could
people be so stupid, falling for that crap?  Or does anyone really...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Crifasi" <crifasi-AT-hotmail.com>
To: <heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: censorship


> Rene de Bakker wrote:
>
> >There was some sniggering when I proposed a mild
> >form of censorship, just to preserve self-respect.
> >That's ok with me, but what about all this voluntary
> >censorship?
> >
> >Hermann Goering at Nuremberg: "The people can always
> >be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy.
> >All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked
> >and then denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism
> >and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any
> >country."
> >
> >In the free world no dictators are needed anymore to
> >force public opinion.
>
> except in Iraq, of course, where a mysteriously amazing 99.99 percent of
the
> voting public re-elected him last year.
>
> >Chomsky, Oct. 2002: "The main question today is how
> >and when to attack Iraq. In the mainstream media, you
> >find an occasional voice saying there might be some
> >problem about committing the crime for which people
> >were hanged at Nuremberg, by attacking another country
> >with who knows what effect without even a pretext.
>
> I wonder if Chomsky gave a similar analysis when Soviet tanks rolled into
> Hungary, Afghanistan, etc.? Chomsky's leanings are well known.
>
> >Right so, better be quiet. The one that says
> >how it is, gets the blame. Goes for Heidegger,
> >goes for Eminem.
>
> Ok, as an Eminem fan, I've got to finally step in here. If he saw what was
> being attributed to him on this list, he would free-style a rap that would
> make even Kenneth blush. I don't know his views on Iraq, but to get at
> what's deep down inside, all you've got to do is watch or read any
interview
> that has ever been done with him about his relationship with his family.
He
> explicitly and condemningly says in interviews that HE is the result of
the
> philosophy of the 60s. He especially emphasizes that his mother was the
> ultimate 60s flower child, complete with multiple lovers whom she brought
> home quite often. Free-love at its best. Just listen to his song,
"Cleaning
> out my closet," which is pretty much all about his mother. You want to
talk
> about anger - the rest of his songs pale in comparison. He says he tries
> with every ounce of his strength to prevent his own daughter from growing
up
> in a similar situation, and that although he's not been perfect in this,
he
> at least admits it and can therefore change. The 60s generation not only
> refused to admit this, but in addition actually advocated their way of
life
> as a philosophical utopia, complete with backing in the Communist
Manifesto
> itself. So Enimen is a self-admitted living, breathing, walking slap in
the
> face for the philosophy of the 60s, which was actually just an outgrowth
of
> a much earlier philosophy...
>
> Anthony Crifasi
>
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