Subject: Re: US Violates Afghan Prisoners Rights to Life...and Justice
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:09:20 -0800
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Jason wrote:
They're still at Camp Xray, right? The way the U.S. has avoided possible interpretations of international law on this is to name the Afghans "illegal combatants" and not "prisoners of war." Therefore they may be detained without representation or the due process laws of either nation (though what sort of due process laws the Taliban had might also make for interesting disussion). So the wording moots your point--they're not being treated like POWs (though conditions are hardly wretched) because they are not, technically, POWs. Therefore the Geneva rules do not apply. Besides, the U.S. has worked so hard to dilute the power of the ICC that their possible action on this is likely to be of no consequence.
Jason, the more research into this does expose the US as being culpable of serious crimes against humanity. Yes, these may be called 'illegal combatants' by the US; however there is no legal definition by world courts nor any terms in conventions on warfare and treatment of prisoners of war regarding 'illegal combatants'?
Do you know of any definitions?
I would classify the US in Iraq as 'illegal combatants' based on international law. The UN Security Council did not make it a resolution to engage in war against Iraq. The UN Charter specifically prohibits a nation from attacking another nation. No weapons of mass destruction have been found. Accounts about a recent nuclear program are unfounded and based on forged documents alleged to be from Nigerian officials. Also statement about Iraq gassing it's own citizens are also fabricated, and by all accounts, even the CIA reports, blood tests, demonstrate that it was more probably chemical gas used by the Iranian army in Iraq.
What the US government has done, the current Bush administration, is to fabricate a large body of lies and speculation about a very compromised nation already impacted seriously by sanctions. Indeed up to 1.2 million people have died as a result of the US enforced sanctions (the only country which is insisting on economic sanctions over the last decade), most of these are children.
Bush has asked for another 75 Billion USD for the next month to fund more damage in Iraq. Of that amount only $500 million will be spent on humanitarian aid to feed and cloth the Iraqis during and after the war.
The US uses actual death threats against nations (we heard that all Iraqis' were warned to stay indoors yesterday) as it's primary means of obtaining what it has always wanted in the first place: OIL. It only wants the oil, and that is how Saddam Hussein and the Bath Party came to power in the first place. This was in the 1970's just after all Iraqi oil was nationalized. Saddam worked with the CIA and oil companies to state a violent coup d'etat. The US supported strongly his party and eventually as VP of the ruling government, Saddam took control of the leadership from his uncle. When Iraq was at war with Iran, the US was in full support of the ruling Bath Party and showered vast amounts of weapons on Iraq.
Saddam Hussein is 'America', it's old buddy. But now that the US wants the oil now and the water from the various large rivers to supply Isreal, it has no need any longer for Saddam. We know that the US gave the 'green light' to Saddam to seize Kuwait.
chao
john
This is strictly
against the Geneva Conventions pertaining to POW's. Even the
Nazi leaders were tried in a legal court where rules were
applied. The US is quilty of war crimes....
I don't think the trials of Nazi leaders and possible legal enquiries into U.S. actions are comparable here--I don't even think the concept of international law is vaguely the same at this point. And "quilt" generally requires proof.
JS
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--- from list heidegger-AT-lists.village.virginia.edu ---This is strictly
against the Geneva Conventions pertaining to POW's. Even the
Nazi leaders were tried in a legal court where rules were
applied. The US is quilty of war crimes....I don't think the trials of Nazi leaders and possible legal enquiries into U.S. actions are comparable here--I don't even think the concept of international law is vaguely the same at this point. And "quilt" generally requires proof.
JS
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"...even if he recopied them later, as I suspect he sometimes did, he marked his card or cards not with the date of his final adjustments, but with that of his Corrected Draft or first Fair Copy. I mean, he preserved the date of actual creation rather than that of second or third thoughts. There is a very loud amusement park right in front of my present lodgings."
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