Subject: Re: Shock'N'Awe
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:54:51 -0800


Bob,

would need to define war. War is a conflict where force is
used, primarily armed forces. Starvation and ruin of crops,
salting of the earth is also a form of warfare.

The first 3 days of the Vietnam War.

Let us look at the record since 1962 when the US began using
chemical weapons in Vietnam.

"Since 1962 huge C-123 cargo planes, equipped with tanks and
high pressure spray nozzles, have released more than 100
million pounds of chemical herbicides over more than 4
million acres, an area larger than the state of
massachusetts. This includes more than 500,000 acres of
croplands growing rice, manioc, beans and other
vegetables....the chemicals are sprayed in concentrations up
to ten times those recommended for use in the US." [Cook,
Haseltine, and Galstone: "What Have We Done to Vietnam. New
Republic, Jan. 10, 1970]

Chemical weapons like this have never been used by any other
nation in war. It is hard to estimate the number of deaths
which have resulted from Agent White, Orange and Blue due to
the multiple pathways and modes of action which these
chemicals have on ecosystems and on human health.

"Crop destroying agents are 'good examples of strategic
weapons." [Senate Report of the Foreign Relations Committee,
1960] There use "would be something of the same nature as a
blockade cutting off vital foods and supplies."

In any case cutting off  of vital foods and supplies is now
the case both in Basra and in Baghdad. In Baghdad because of
the saturation bombing by B52's and because of the
resistance and use of mines in canals and waterways in
Basra.

chao

john foster




Here is a recent example of Malthus' Thomistic Philosophy
(Social Darwinism) by the notorious former World Bank Chief
economist and US Treasury Secretary Lawrence H. Summers:

 "I think the economic logic behind dumping a load of toxic
waste in the lowest wage country is impeccable... because
foregone earnings from increased morbidity" are low. He adds
that "the underpopulated countries in Africa are vastly
underpolluted; their air quality is probably vastly
inefficiently low compared to Los Angeles.... "

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Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:37 AM
Subject: Re: Shock'N'Awe



In a message dated 03/23/03 10:49:21 PM,
borealis-AT-mercuryspeed.com writes:

<< I don't know Bob. The first 3 days of the Vietnam War

probably saw fewer civilian lives lost. That is over 25 per

day so far. And there are perhaps many buried in the debris

which will never be found. >>

what 3 days do you cite for the beginning of the vietnam
war?  i don't meen
to demean your observation, but i lived through that period.
do you mean
dien bien phu?  the american presence which kennedy sent?
the mytyhical
attack on our ships that johnson used as an excuse?  this
was a war which
really began in about 1945 or 6 and smoldered for 7 years,
then burned out
the french, smoldered some more, then slowly ratcheted up to
johnson,
mcnamara, and the increasing troop commitments by the tens
of thousands.  my
roommate is on the wall in washington.  i paid careful
attention.

please document statements like the above.


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