Subject: Re: Numbers Game Question
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:50:36 +0000


HealantHenry wrote:

> >Well, I could go on if you like.
>
>Well, I am sure you could, but no thanks.  The difference I see nowadays, 
>is
>that there is a global outcry against war.  War, says, the world 
>population,
>is no longer an appropriate cultural practice.

Henry do you really think that is a new sentiment?

1. In WWII, France chose non-conflict over war when Hitler entered the 
Rhineland. We saw the results.

2. Before Pearl Harbor, the US public preferred non-conflict over war. We 
now see that this was wrong.

3. In Vietnam, US public opinion was for non-conflict over war. I can line 
up a kilometer of Vietnamese boat people who can tell you the results of the 
US withdrawal.

4. In 1984, public opinion showed up in massive demonstrations, advocating 
non-conflict because the introduction of US missiles into Germany would 
provoke the USSR to war. We now know that this was incorrect.

5. In 1990, HALF of the US population preferred non-conflict over war 
against Hussein. And that was despite UN consensus and a blatant invasion by 
Iraq!

So this is new? Only to those who have not learned from history.

>We have finally realized that war doesn't work.

Do you really think that the "diplomacy works, not war" line is new, 
something we have "finally" realized? Have you ever heard of Neville 
Chamberlain? Do you know how he was cheered and praised when he returned 
triumphantly with a diplomatic achievement - a treaty containing Hitler's 
promise to not invade any further? Ever heard of Winston Churchill? Do you 
know how he was jeered and mocked when he went to Parliament during the 30s 
warning that Hitler was violating the TREATY of Versailles, and that 
PREEMPTIVE military action was necessary before he made further incursions? 
We now know who was right.

So what you are saying is anything but new.

>Of course the political 'leaders' will need some lag time
>to catch up with the people, but it seems to me that they will have to in 
>the
>near future. Enjoy your war Anthony, it may be one of the last two or three
>on the planet. --hen

And do you think your last prediction is new? Do you remember the "war to 
end all wars"? Didn't, did it?

So on three counts, Henry, what you are calling new is hardly new. It has 
been seen before, as have the results.

Anthony Crifasi

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