Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 08:37:32 +0000 Subject: Re: Time is temporal! > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --MS_Mac_OE_3129611855_757409_MIME_Part Allen having an effect on me: > But does the verb "virken" ( to have an effect) bear at all on the meaning of > Wirklichkeit? It does make Nietzschean if not German sense: "A thing is the > sum of its effects." The forward moving, retroflective, having an effect back > on itself, of becoming makes a thing what it "actually" (wirklich) is. Allen, just an aside here (I am even more poverty-stricken Germanwise!): the Nietzschean "A thing is the sum of its effects." reminds me of the position Heisenberg (weren't Heisenberg and Heidegger well-known to each other? I seem to remember Heidegger speaking in glowing terms of Heisenberg...) and his circle take upon the entities of quantum mechanics, namely, that they are nothing but how they are encountered during experiments and observations; purely phenomena. The 'electron' 'is' only how it is found; how it shows itself to the apparatuses of its revelation; its tracework, its mark, inscription, upon the surfaces of its (experimental/observational) (re)presentation. It does not exist, is not in being, apart from this. This also re-minds me of Bachelard's characterisation of measuring instruments/experimental set-ups as "materialised theories"... In putting out the 'electron' as having a momentum or position (measuring its momentum/position), the 'electron' is a thing with momentum/position, etc. The set-up sets up the 'electron' as such-and-such a being, etc. What/that it is between measurements/observations, of this, we can not speak (it takes an other set-up to show that the 'electron' has been as such...). Heisenberg digs the logos :-) and thus reaches back to Heraclitus and forwards to phenomenology right at the very heart of modern science. Somehow, eerily in the neighbourhood of Heideggerian thinking of being and beings, almost catching a being in its be-ing. Must get back to paid work, wirklich... regards michaelP --MS_Mac_OE_3129611855_757409_MIME_Part
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> But does the verb "virken" ( to have an effect) bear at all on the meaning ofAllen, just an aside here (I am even more poverty-stricken Germanwise!): the Nietzschean "A thing is the sum of its effects." reminds me of the position Heisenberg (weren't Heisenberg and Heidegger well-known to each other? I seem to remember Heidegger speaking in glowing terms of Heisenberg...) and his circle take upon the entities of quantum mechanics, namely, that they are nothing but how they are encountered during experiments and observations; purely phenomena. The 'electron' 'is' only how it is found; how it shows itself to the apparatuses of its revelation; its tracework, its mark, inscription, upon the surfaces of its (experimental/observational) (re)presentation. It does not exist, is not in being, apart from this. This also re-minds me of Bachelard's characterisation of measuring instruments/experimental set-ups as "materialised theories"... In putting out the 'electron' as having a momentum or position (measuring its momentum/position), the 'electron' is a thing with momentum/position, etc. The set-up sets up the 'electron' as such-and-such a being, etc. What/that it is between measurements/observations, of this, we can not speak (it takes an other set-up to show that the 'electron' has been as such...). Heisenberg digs the logos :-) and thus reaches back to Heraclitus and forwards to phenomenology right at the very heart of modern science. Somehow, eerily in the neighbourhood of Heideggerian thinking of being and beings, almost catching a being in its be-ing.
> Wirklichkeit? It does make Nietzschean if not German sense: "A thing is the
> sum of its effects." The forward moving, retroflective, having an effect back
> on itself, of becoming makes a thing what it "actually" (wirklich) is.
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