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Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 08:37:32 +0000
Subject: Re: Time is temporal!


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Allen having an effect on me:

> But does the verb "virken" ( to have an effect) bear at all on the meaning of
> Wirklichkeit?  It does make Nietzschean if not German sense:  "A thing is the
> sum of its effects."  The forward moving, retroflective, having an effect back
> on itself, of becoming makes a thing what it "actually" (wirklich) is.

Allen, just an aside here (I am even more poverty-stricken Germanwise!): the
Nietzschean "A thing is the sum of its effects." reminds me of the position
Heisenberg (weren't Heisenberg and Heidegger well-known to each other? I
seem to remember Heidegger speaking in glowing terms of Heisenberg...) and
his circle take upon the entities of quantum mechanics, namely, that they
are nothing but how they are encountered during experiments and
observations; purely phenomena. The 'electron' 'is' only how it is found;
how it shows itself to the apparatuses of its revelation; its tracework, its
mark, inscription, upon the surfaces of its (experimental/observational)
(re)presentation. It does not exist, is not in being, apart from this. This
also re-minds me of Bachelard's characterisation of measuring
instruments/experimental set-ups as "materialised theories"... In putting
out the 'electron' as having a momentum or position (measuring its
momentum/position), the 'electron' is a thing with momentum/position, etc.
The set-up sets up the 'electron' as such-and-such a being, etc. What/that
it is between measurements/observations, of this, we can not speak (it takes
an other set-up to show that the 'electron' has been as such...). Heisenberg
digs the logos :-) and thus reaches back to Heraclitus and forwards to
phenomenology right at the very heart of modern science. Somehow, eerily in
the neighbourhood of Heideggerian thinking of being and beings, almost
catching a being in its be-ing.

Must get back to paid work, wirklich...

regards

michaelP



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Re: Time is temporal! Allen having an effect on me:

> But does the verb "virken" ( to have an effect) bear at all on the meaning of
> Wirklichkeit?  It does make Nietzschean if not German sense:  "A thing is the
> sum of its effects."  The forward moving, retroflective, having an effect back
> on itself, of becoming makes a thing what it "actually" (wirklich) is.

Allen, just an aside here (I am even more poverty-stricken Germanwise!): the Nietzschean "A thing is the sum of its effects." reminds me of the position Heisenberg (weren't Heisenberg and Heidegger well-known to each other? I seem to remember Heidegger speaking in glowing terms of Heisenberg...) and his circle take upon the entities of quantum mechanics, namely, that they are nothing but how they are encountered during experiments and observations; purely phenomena. The 'electron' 'is' only how it is found; how it shows itself to the apparatuses of its revelation; its tracework, its mark, inscription, upon the surfaces of its (experimental/observational) (re)presentation. It does not exist, is not in being, apart from this. This also re-minds me of Bachelard's characterisation of measuring instruments/experimental set-ups as "materialised theories"... In putting out the 'electron' as having a momentum or position (measuring its momentum/position), the 'electron' is a thing with momentum/position, etc. The set-up sets up the 'electron' as such-and-such a being, etc. What/that it is between measurements/observations, of this, we can not speak (it takes an other set-up to show that the 'electron' has been as such...). Heisenberg digs the logos :-) and thus reaches back to Heraclitus and forwards to phenomenology right at the very heart of modern science. Somehow, eerily in the neighbourhood of Heideggerian thinking of being and beings, almost catching a being in its be-ing.

Must get back to paid work, wirklich...

regards

michaelP

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