Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 18:01:22 EDT
Subject: Re: [HAB:] re: Getting ethical by getting highly self-identical


 
In a message dated 8/24/2004 5:23:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
sue-AT-mcphersons.freeserve.co.uk writes:

Habermas's utopia is a society in which exists the ideal speech  situation, 
in which actors possess all of the relevant background knowledge  and 
linguistic skills to communicate without distortion. Habermas believes  that through 
reason and discourse, humans will come to understand each others'  subjective 
states and reconcile their differences.


Hi Sue,
I have to admit that I feel like you are shortchanging Habermas.  What  is 
the over-the-top attitude all about?  BTW, as for strategic action being  
related to narcissism, it is also related to heavy doses of jealousy.   Lastly, you 
used the word 'utopia' as if Habermas' work is utopian.  I  don't thank anyone 
would agree with you here since the principles related to  communicative 
action are expectations located within juridical and legislative  discourse.  When 
a judge, lawyer, or legislator attempts to practice  strategic action, s/he 
is called to accountability by numerous oversight  agencies, colleagues, and 
journalists.  Argumentation is the basis for  clarifying one's position and/or 
demanding others account for theirs - if this  is what you call a utopia, 
great, but the term is usually reserved for  unrealizable notions.  You are unaware 
of the meaning of 'ideal speech  situation' in Habermas' work and you are 
unaware of the historical perspective  he refers to in his works not to mention 
his understanding of current  events.  If you take even a gander at Between 
Facts and Norms, you will  immediately realize that Habermas does not believe in 
the unity of facts and  values.
 
Fred


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