Subject: Re: PKF: RE: Re: A reintroduction Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:14:25 +1000 FRed wrote: Please tell me, is PF also criticised by Sokal? The reference here is a book by Sokal and Bricmont in the aftermath of the hoax which replies to criticism of Sokal. In the book they criticise various philosophers of science who they depict as barbarians inside the gates of science, in the way that the posmoderns are barbarians outside. They wrote under the influence of David Stove among others. The book is not at hand so I cannot recall what they said about PF but they were hard on Popper and Kuhn. This is my Amazon US review. The book is called Intellectual Impostures. When Alan Sokal revealed his hoax on the postmodernists he was subjected to a great deal of hostile criticism, including claims that he disparaged the social sciences at large and that he was a stooge for the rightwing cultural establishment. In the introduction to this book the authors carefully defuse many of these criticisms. They explain that their criticisms of the social sciences and social scientists are confined to carefully designated examples (Kristeva, Lacan and others), with lengthy quotes from primary sources. Derrida, for example, is not in the dock because he has not indulged in the abuse of scientific theories and terminology which is their prime target. Against the charge of rightwing political bias, Sokal has a strong track record as a Marxist, hardly a recommendation in my view but a handy rejoinder to leftwing critics. Given their carefully limited aim, their critiques are devastating and their book deserves to be read with close and critical attention by all students who are concerned about the standards of scholarship in the humanities and the social sciences. In general they do not stray into the philosophy of postmodernism, that is not an area where they have the qualifications or the motivation, to engage with the likes of Derrida. The area of philosophy where they do chance their arm is the philosophy of science and, ironically, this is the Achilles heel of the book, though it is not likely to be targeted by their major critics. They wrote: "At a time when superstitions, obscurantism, and nationalist and religious fanaticism are spreading in many parts of the world--including the 'developed' West--it is irresponsible, to say the least, to treat with such casualness what has historically been the principal defense against these follies, namely a rational vision of the world. It is doubtless not the intention of postmodern authors to favor obscurantism, but it is an inevitable consequence of their approach." (p.208) The rational view of the world that they favour is of course the worldview of modern science. This is supposed to derive its authority from the so-called inductive methods championed by the logical positivists and logical empiricists. They consider that the rationality of science is not only under attack from the postmodernists (the barbarians at the gate) but from other misguide folk, especially T S Kuhn and Karl Popper, who have subverted the rationality of science from the inside. That may be the case with Kuhn but it is not a valid criticism of Popper. His theory of conjectural objective knowledge provides a defensible rejoinder to relativism and nihilism in a way that the logical empiricists and other forms of positivism do not. The stakes are high in this contest and the authors are well aware of this. For more, do a google search on Rathouse+Popper. It is a cultural disaster of the first magnitude that Popper's ideas have been so thoroughly mangled,misunderstood and generally sidelined in the mainstream of philosophy, the social sciences and the humanities. 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