Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 06:23:39 +0900
Subject: Re: AUT: Re: Re: Re: Class and other social divisions


on 2/11/02 02:17 AM, Harald Beyer-Arnesen at haraldba-AT-online.no wrote:

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> From: cwright
> Subject: AUT: Re: Re: Class and other social divisions
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> I will not enter into most of the questions raised in this
> thread here. But one thing I want to comment.  While
> popular among many, I find it a contradiction of terms
> to refer to the, in capitalist terms, most advanced
> comtemporary societies   that is the most commodified
> as patriarchical. That is precisely what they (mostly,
> and increasingly) are not . Which is not to say that
> particular gender specific forms of oppression and
> exploitation have disappeared, nor that traits and
> mentalities from an inherited pre-captiast patriarchical
> legacy has wholly been overcome. But it would be
> more correct to say that for instance violence within
> families in the most commodified regions today are
> related to the erosion of patriarchical relations than
> the other way around. Though the two aspects, the
> old and the new, tend to both blend into and oppose
> each other.
> 
> Harald
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MIYACHI TATSUO
PSYCHIATRIC DEPARTMENT
KOMAKI MUNICIPAL HOSPITAL
KOMAKI CITY
AICHI Pre.
JAPAN
miyachi9-AT-gctv.ne.jp

Family ia not class. But an element of civil society. current familial
relation is merely money relation.
In "communist manifesto" Marx wrote;

 "The bourgeoisie has torn away from the family its sentimental veil, and
has reduced the family relation into a mere money relation."

and in Critique of Hegel’s Philosophy of Right
 1843

"The state results from them in an unconscious and arbitrary way. Family and
civil society appear as the dark natural ground from which the light of the
state emerges. By material of the state is meant the business of the state,
i.e., family and civil society, in so far as they constitute components of
the state and, as such, participate in the state.
The actual situation is that the assignment of the material of the state to
the individual is mediated by circumstances, caprice, and personal choice of
his station in life. This fact, this actual situation is expressed by
speculative philosophy [der Spekulation] as appearance, as phenomenon. These
circumstances, this caprice, this personal choice of vocation, this actual
mediation are merely the appearance of a mediation which the actua
ty is not expressed as itself but as another reality. Ordinary empirical
existence does not have its own mind [Geist] but rather an alien mind as its
law, while on the other hand the actual Idea does not have an actuality
which is developed out of itself, but rather has ordinary empirical
existence as its existence [Dasein].
Reasonably, Hegel’s sentences mean only the following:

The family and civil society are elements of the state. The material of the
state is divided amongst them through circumstances, caprice, and personal
choice of vocation. The citizens of the state are members of families and of
civil society." 

In my outpatient base, cause of conflict is very much of familial conflict.
Domestic violence, oppression to wife, conflict between mother-in -law and
bride,are usually cause of mental conflict transfromed into bodilily pain,
insomnia, headache,nausea, anorexia, depresssion,psychosis, etc.
 
In behind this, usually oppression by firm, indutry, to husband exists.
theoppressed becomes human due to oppression to more vulnable member in
family, IN that sense, class and family relates each other.



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