Subject: Re: liberal opposition, empire, imperialism, etc. was : Re: AUT: RE: civil society
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:49:26 -0600


Harald,

Ok, bad phrasing.  I did not mean that such states did not exist, but that
many of the liberals and radical nationalists  take a backward-looking view
which tends to idealize the Wlefare Nation State as somehow 'more ours', in
a kind of 'reclaiming democracy' politics.  I did not mean that some
positive gains that were institutionalized into the welfare state neither
existed nor were lost.

Chris

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From: "Harald Beyer-Arnesen" <haraldba-AT-online.no>
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: liberal opposition, empire, imperialism, etc. was : Re: AUT:
RE: civil society


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> Chris writes: "... although you would have to recognize that many
> Leftists and 'radical nationalists' want to turn back to the 'demo-
> cratic welfare' nation state that never was."
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> I think you are wrong here. Even if you can question the demo-
> cratic part, "the 'democratic welfare' nation state" was not en-
> tirely a fiction everywhere. Nor has it completely vanished the
> places it existed, even if much eroded, as even more the move-
> ments that brought it into existence.
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> Harald
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