Subject: RE: beheading video link Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:56:47 -0500 Regarding Roger's assertion that the non-conspiratorial explanation is as plausible as any other, I think he's right in that we cannot yet dismiss the non-conspiracy theory (aka the coincidence theory). But there are clearly some highly questionable elements to the whole scenario. On KPFT here, Amy Goodman just had someone on (doing the fund drive thing) talking about further inconsistencies regarding what the State Department told Berg's family and later retracted, etc. The whole thing is VERY fishy. There is enough to question about the official explanation that it is no longer clear that it is "the simplest explanation" nor that abandoning it violates "a fundamental rule of logic". In fact, since there are glaring inconsistencies, the simplest and most logical thing to do is to assume that there is something seriously wrong with the official version, although anything beyond that is clearly mere speculation. One element I see running through your conversations on this is a sort of either/or type of thinking. Like either the CIA did it, OR Al Queda did it. My limited studies of "black ops" kinds of actions leads me to believe that there are very frequently overlapping interests between radically opposed groups, with key players often being double and triple agents. My conspiratorial explanation of the 9-11 episode has always been that the job was planned and executed by fundamentalist Muslim-Arab types, exactly as we have been told, but that their operations were "intensely guided" by black ops types from the US (and possibly others, like Mossad), although the Muslim-Arab terrorists were likely unaware that they were receiving substantial assistance from the same "Great Satan" they were out to attack. So I think it's quite possible that this beheading operation was exactly what Roger suspects: "some bad guys got him and boinked him", AND simultaneously was a big CIA plot or something like that. If it was, as Roger suggests, a pink unicorn named Ralph, then Ralph must be a damned smooth operator, cuz I haven't seen any indication of his involvement in any previous questionable activities. There is a big difference between conjuring up a hypothesis out of the blue, and extending known historical patterns to explain current enigmas. Granted, we are all just speculating, but we are speculating based on well-documented facts. It would be a serious mistake to proceed AS IF our speculations were fact, but it would be an equally serious mistake to avoid exploring the possibilities that historical patterns suggest may be true. ROGER: WARNING: Don't read any further, or you may have to go get drunk. For you conspiracy buffs: no doubt it has occurred to you there are some odd parallels of 9-11 with the JFK thing. For example, there are World Trade Centers throughout the world, including one in New Orleans, which at the time of the JFK hit was known as the International Trade Mart, headed by Clay Bertrand/Clay Shaw, who was the first (only?) person ever indicted for participation in the JFK assassination; whereas JFK was on his way to the Dallas Trade Mart at the time of the hit. Also: evidence regarding the JFK assassination was delivered to "George Bush, of the CIA", although George the First denies working for the agency until he stepped in from nowhere to become the DCI. Also: Florida (now governed by a Bush) was both the home of the anti-Castro Cubans alleged to have pulled the trigger on JFK, and also was the site of the dubious flight-training school attended by Mohamed Atta and his terrorist friends, and also was the site of the first anthrax case post 9-11, and also was of course absolutely instrumental in fraudulently putting the warrior-in-chief into office so that the US could respond imperially rather than intelligently to the 9-11 attacks (not to mention the stand-down that had to be orchestrated so that 9-11 could occur to begin with, in a similar vein to the stand-down that preceded JFK's death). -m
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