Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 14:42:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: yippi yi eh (New Yorker Article)


On Tue, 4 May 2004, roger, roger wrote:

> 
> i don't know carpo.  my inclination is that once i tell a whopper, i
> stick to it.  sure, the pictures i've seen would probably not rise to
> the same level of outrage as chopping off a limb or whatnot.  and
> SURE, those who see a political advantage to overstate it will do so.

Wait a minute.  I was commenting on G'rg's post that he didn't see why
religion was used to pigeonhole the prisoners and make this a religious
issue.  I thought.  I am _still_ commenting on how bring religion into
this makes no sense as I can't see the difference in how torturing
different kinds gets different results.  The iraqis were tortured.  I seem
to be getting your drift that somehow you think I don't recognize this.  I 
didn't bring up cutting off hands or compare this episode to any other.  


> but i'll stand by my main point that 'real' torture can, and often is,
> psychological.  i know that for a damn fact, cause i've tortured many
> a southern baptist in my day.

My mom lived with my dad.

 
> the military want to make a strong distinction between torture and
> 'abuse' and i suppose they are correct.  but it's a damn fine line and
> i suspect that real torture has occured on a regular basis.  nobody
> took any pictures though.

Maybe the military made this distinction, but not me.  I just don't get 
why it is worse because of the religious aspect.


carp