Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 18:22:54 +0200
Subject: Re: whither -AT- list


> Damn good point there Thomas. I think a legit arguement can be made against
> a 'military' POV;

Well, legit would depend on POV, wouldn`t it? And what is a legit
perspective? My point was that you can`t really say that this and that view
is legit, because the qualification would be flawed by an opposing
perspective. In this context. But I do agree with you, I just don`t think I
have an exclusive right to say I`m right.

> if humans are going to cooperate we are going to need to
> get past the idea of violent resolution of our problems.

If benign cooperation was the ultimate goal, that would be true. It could
also be said that cooperation is the ultimate hereditory sin, which I could
in a way agree with. But that could take a lot of time to explain.

It is interesting that you should bring in `violent resolutionī, since in
the history of anarchy and anarchism, violence has always been a perfectly
legitimate weapon against oppression. That, IMO, doesn`t make it right, just
weird. What I gather is that you don`t believe in violence as a legitimate
waste of time, or was that me?

>The militarys prime
> function is shoot first, not exactly a 'do no harm' policy.

The military prime function is `protect our interestsī. That could be a `do
no harmī policy. Mostly itīs a `do harm so they can`t harm usīpolicy. The
interests that are supposed to be protected are of course not yours, and
definetly not mine (being an antimilitarist and all, I have been transferred
to my own defense in case of war in Norway, i.e among the first in the KZ).

>As for the mass 
> media, well, we are the mass media, eh?

In a way. We are mass media consumers and producers, just like the rest of
the email-writing politically aware world. That`s not to say that it works
to our advantage. Far from it.

>Can't argue against 'The Simpsons',
> not me. Or pro football (as opposed to soccer).
> 

I could argue against anything, any day. And I could even be right a few
times. :-)

And soccer, or football as we in the civilised regions of this hemisphere
call it, is crap. Good fun, though.

    .thomas