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Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 07:44:04 -0500
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Sealing the inside of masks (was: Info about Enamels)


Hi Daniel. Thanks for all the info.
I was a bit vague about the needs and processes.

I cannot bare to make a mask that will only last 5 years.
I have this thing against my own art being ephemeral. That's my burden.

Even for a film, which would preserve a mask or puppet for generations to 
come, on disk, I would not want to make something so short lived. I'd like 
the objects to remain as souvenirs, or props to sell and raise money for a 
future project.



When I was talking thermoplastics, I really meant making a mask with it, not 
just a lining.
Sometimes I forget to write some of the sentences I think up.

What is slush urethane?
Is it flexible?





Mathieu René Créaturiste
Marionnettes, Masques, Etcetera...
Puppets, Masks, Etcetera...
www.creaturiste.com
creaturiste-AT-magma.ca
(514) 274-8027
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From: "Kismet" <kismet-AT-bigpond.net.au>
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Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Sealing the inside of masks (was: Info about 
Enamels)


> Ive heard these criticisms of latex before and again masks are not 
> something
> I spend a lot of time worrying about (although I agree masks/animated
> objects/puppetry are all akin) but I have found that our latex commedia
> masks that we produce for ourselves and can sell to select customers for
> about $15-20 Aus ($8-10 US) have a life expectancy of about 5-6 years with
> very little care and lots of abuse..thats less than $2 per year! (compared
> to a cheap leather mask that costs about $400 aus and will last with care 
> 40
> years which is $10 per year) Have a look at Ross Browns excellent 
> selection
> of latex masks and puppets www.darksidemasks.com although I notice that 
> they
> have stopped producing papier mache Basel masks, preferring latex or
> fibreglass.
> If you are going to muck around with thermo plastic linings why not just
> make a thermo plastic mask? Or a slush cast urethane mask? light weight,
> cost effective over longer (more than 10) runs and can be remodelled with
> apoxie sculpt! (we make blank masks at about $4 aus each including mold
> costs)
> Any way just thought Id put it out there
>
> Daniel
> PS Didnt sell the bicycle...oh well. I like the idea of a boat on wheels
> booth. Our main story telling stage/puppet booth is a Gipsy Vardo that 
> opens
> at one end. Im going to have to create a website one day....one day.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mathieu René" <creaturiste-AT-magma.ca>
> To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 5:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Sealing the inside of masks (was: Info about
> Enamels)
>
>
>>Id tend to agreee with Deborah although I dont have a lot to do with 
>>papier
>>mache masks.... i did have a left field thought though....what about a 
>>thin
>>layer of latex brushed onto the inside? Water proof, chemical resistant,
>>non
>>toxic quickly loses the ammonia smell...just a thought....
>>
>>D.
>
> Hi Daniel. Latex would work wonderfully except for a few lesser known 
> facts:
> some people are severely allergic to it, and it deteriorates very quickly
> when in contact with sweat, friction, UV rays, heat, and totally melts 
> when
> in contact with sugars.
> The ridiculous life expentancy of latex is the only reason I'm not making
> any latex masks.
> I love the fact that they are flexible, but for anything durable, that
> property is just not worth my efforts.
>
> I've repaired a latex mask that had been used only for a few years by a
> theatre company, and the fix barely worked.
> It will not last for more than a year.
>
> If I could find a silicone or a vynil that would not deteriorate and not 
> be
> toxic to use, I'd use that.
> Paper mache, when well done, outlasts all the other traditional mask 
> making
> materials (except maybe for metal, and that's too heavy anyway).
>
> I'm looking into flexible thermoplastics, the kind used to replace 
> silicone
> caulking.
> I have a tube here somewhere, which I never found the time to try.
> I have a feeling its got fumes too, so I,lll have to wait for the spring 
> to
> try them outside.
> I sleep where I work, so I can't use anything real toxic.
>
>
>
> Mathieu René Créaturiste
> Marionnettes, Masques, Etcetera...
> Puppets, Masks, Etcetera...
> www.creaturiste.com
> creaturiste-AT-magma.ca
> (514) 274-8027
>
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