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Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2006 01:29:54 GMT
Subject: [Puptcrit] A Professional Puppeteers Union?


Well, a pro union has not manifested itself yet, and maybe never will.

The last attempt died on the vine years ago. Part of the problem could be the self-serving aspects of performing unions which often work to keep new faces OUT, and how many years has it been since SAG & AFTRA first figured out that it MIGHT be smart to merge? Depending at one point whether a mass media performance would be shot on film or on tape, that determined under which union the work would be done. Vested interests did not help a merger which would have made more sense.

Other union members claimed that puppeteers were NOT ACTORS, but PROP-MEN. PROP-Men wanted to work the puppets (uniformly badly). Now, at least there is a category for puppeteers, but for some it took a lifetime. Will Rogers said something to the effect that Democrats showed poor people could be greedy too. They still have much to learn about the art of greed from Geo. W, Cheney, Rummy, DeLay, Abramoff who talk freedom, liberty, patriotism while robbing the treasury. If you disagree, fine. It will just prolong the disaster.

Politics can enter ANY organization. So if you have a "professional puppeteers union" who decides whom is PROFESSIONAL?

In the early years of Puppeteers of America, there was an effort to classify certain puppeteers as MASTER PUPPETEERS, and the rest as mere PUPPETEERS. You would not believe how angry that made some people for YEARS.

In the 1970s at a national fest, I saw a couple of oldtimers having breakfast together. They used to be (1) a Master Puppeteer and (2)  Puppeteer; they used to be mad at each other. Time CAN heal old wounds. 

When Jim's rule #1 mentioned envy, regarding someone else's success as a blanket indictment, I dont think "one size fits all" or even "one-size fits most, but one size can fit some. I find a lot less envy among puppeteers than among actors and that is one reason I like so many puppeteers.

A professional union would have to find a FAIR way to divide the pros from the non-pros, and then fight all the other unions with vested interest for a piece of the pie.

FAIRNESS is a great goal, but it can be elusive without great care.

ALAN COOK


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   1. Re: Puppet Peers - Have to disagree (Mark S. Segal)
   2. Re: Show a little back bone (William Hennes)
   3. Re: Rubbery Figures (Jamie Ashby)
   4. Toronto Toy Theatre show (for adults!) (Jamie Ashby)
   5. Re: Puppet Peers (Robert Rogers)
   6. Re: Rubbery Figures (BiersBlackwood-AT-aol.com)
   7. Re: Rubbery Figures (BiersBlackwood-AT-aol.com)
   8. Good vs Bad Puppetry (Jimsan777-AT-aol.com)
   9. Re: Good vs Bad Puppetry (Cahebay-AT-aol.com)
  10. (no subject) (corenste-AT-hunter.cuny.edu)
  11. Re: Primer for Critics (malgosia askanas)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:43:44 -0500
From: "Mark S. Segal" <segalpuppets-AT-comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Puppet Peers - Have to disagree
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Jim,
I have to disagree with you on these "rules" which I find to be a bit ummmm 
well strange or bitter are good words.


> Rule No. 1:   Be it jealousy or envy, the more success a puppeteer has, 
> the
> less likely puppeteer peers        will acknowledge it.

Have always found professional puppeteers to be very supportive of other 
professional puppeteers.
It seems to me that a great joy is to acknowledge another's artistic 
success. One of the things that first attracted me to puppetry as a theatre 
art/decision was just that supportive atmosphere. Festivals are made up of 
people who enjoy that supportive arena.


> Rule No. 2:   The most simple puppetry attempts get the most kudos.

It is really really hard to be simple. It is something to always work 
towards, but it is not the only thing. I hope someday to be really simple!


> Rule No. 3:   Puppeteers seek the lowest common denominator because it 
> makes
> them look good by comparison.

This loses me completely.

> Rule No. 4:   Puppeteers want instant success, but are not willing to put 
> in
> the time and effort to learn skills required.


Who would not like instant success, by the way are you talking artistic, 
financial or both? I have been working as a (full time) puppeteer for close 
to 30 years and I am still trying to learn. Don't know of too many committed 
professionals who don't always try and learn or have the doors open to doing 
so. I actually find this rule to be a bit insulting it is just a too broad 
generalization.

Mark Segal




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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 19:57:39 -0800
From: "William Hennes" <williamhennes-AT-charter.net>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Show a little back bone
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Thanks Liz.

I am doing some visual experimental pieces mixing technology lines and more 
organic thoughts.  These pieces will respond to the viewer.

William


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Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Show a little back bone


> William,
>
> Very Cool, what is the purpose for the piece?
>
> Liz
> K. Elizabeth Evans, President & Artistic Director
> Renaissance Artist Puppet Company
> http://www.RenArtPuppetCo.com
> 610-630-4259
> Company performing -AT-
> The Montgomery County Cultural Center
> 208 DeKalb Street, Norristown, PA
>
> Renaissance Artist Puppet Company's
> mission is to promote excellence in puppetry as a
> Theatrical art form and as an Educational tool by incorporating
> historical and cultural diversity along with quality performance
> techniques to tell our stories.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:20:19 -0500
From: Jamie Ashby <jamie.ashby-AT-utoronto.ca>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Rubbery Figures
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Not to toot the Canadian horn too long, but the Canadian puppet artist Noreen 
Young, better known for her TV work for young people, was one of the first to 
employ this type of TV puppetry for political satire.

Although most of the over one hundred television productions with which Young 
has been involved were intended for children, in the 1970s, ?she provided an 
Ottawa-based satirical program, _What?s New_, with puppet caricatures of 
Canadian and U.S. political figures, some of which made appearances on 
national news broadcasts as well? (_Puppetry in Canada: An Art to Enchant_ 
149), as Ken McKay, the Canadian puppetry historian, writes, paving the way 
for Britain?s more famous series, _Spitting Image_ (1984-92). Young adds that 
her satirical work was not limited to What?s News, as she ?did a few things 
with CODCO and mainly CBC news specials in the '70s? (qtd. in Elliott, Julia, 
?Pulling Strings: After 30 Years, Noreen Young is Still Making Friends.? 
Ottawa Citizen 6 Aug. 2005: I7.), although by the end of the decade, puppet 
caricatures had fallen ?out of favour and political correctness was the name 
of the game in the news department.?

FYI, from your resident Canadian puppet nerd.


Best,

Jamie Ashby

PhD Candidate: ?Ideas in Motion: New Work Development at Puppetmongers Theatre 
Company,? 
Graduate Centre for Study of Drama,
University of Toronto

Co-founder, PuppUTopiate: the *only* puppet company at the Univ. of Toronto


Quoting Kismet <kismet-AT-bigpond.net.au>:

> I know the UK Television had Rubbery figures but did the US?
> They were foam latex puppets of political characters that obviously 
lampooned
> the political order of the day...like a political cartoon in the
> newspaper.....mostly done on a low low budget they were quick, direct and
> lots of fun.
> Here is a link that I have just found that discusses the making of and has
> LOTS of examples.... like this one....
> http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/flash/flash.php?id=60
> the australians are our long gone prime minister and treasurer!
> Have a look at
> 
> http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/rubbery.php
> 
> D.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 02:42:12 -0500
From: Jamie Ashby <jamie.ashby-AT-utoronto.ca>
Subject: [Puptcrit] Toronto Toy Theatre show (for adults!)
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <1137051732.43c608542e6a6-AT-webmail.utoronto.ca>

Dear friends,

My apologies if I already posted this, but it had an attachment, and I don't 
remember it appearing in my own inbox, so I'm reposting it. Keep scrolling for 
all the details, if you are or will be in Toronto this Sun.


Take care,

Jamie Ashby

PhD Candidate: "Ideas in Motion: New Work Development at Puppetmongers Theatre 
Company," 
Graduate Centre for Study of Drama,
University of Toronto

Co-founder, PuppUTopiate: the *only* puppet company at the Univ. of Toronto
*****

Hey there folks - 

While January see-saws its way through our hearts, and 
cold weather creeps back to give us a taste REAL 
winter again, here at Cardboard heart Imagination 
Laboratory our mad scientists are working their butts 
off to figure out ways to get us through the dark and 
sometimes cold mid-winter. 

January 15th is the first instalment of an exciting 
new series we're cooking up with GirlCanCreate 
Productions and Reflector Oven Theatre. It's called 
SPEAK, and it's an afternoon of verbal and visual 
storytelling. 

Dan Yashinsky and Ann McDougall will present fabulous, 
inspiring and adventursome stories to kick the whole 
thing off, and Noah will be performing a toy-theatre 
version of THE BOAT FINALLY SAILS ON WATER. An 
original fairy-tale about adversity, dreams, travel 
and pelicans, this piece is the first of Cardboard 
heart's Picture-books for Grown-Ups. 

THINGS YOU NEED TO KNOW (read this part carefully): 

WHERE IS THIS AMAZING HAPPENING HAPPENING? 
At Studio 409 in the Case Goods Warehouse at the 
Distillery. 

WHEN IS THIS STUPENDOUS EVENT EVENTING? 
Beginning Sunday, January 15th, from 4pm to 6pm. 

WHAT ELSE DO I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT THIS FANTASTIC 
FUNCTION? 
It's 5-10$ at the door; various snacks and tea will be 
available next door at Studio 408, along with 
Photography by Melanie Gordon; the Case Goods 
Warehouse is the building directly behind Balzac's at 
the southernmost end of the main cobblestone road of 
the Distillery District; Studio 409 is located on the 
4th floor; there is an elevator available for folks in 
need. 

This event is for ADULTS who love stories. Stay tuned 
for a KID-SPECIFIC Speak event. 

*************************************************************** 

As we've mentioned before, in this and other email 
updates, Cardboard heart is working on a couple of 
picture-books, as part of our new Picture-books for 
Grown-Ups. The first is called THE BOAT FINALLY SAILS 
ON WATER, and the second will be THE STORY TREE - part 
of the Cardboard heart puppet show THE TREES OF 
MEMORY. If you folks have any publishing advice, let 
us know! See attached file for a sneak-peek at one of 
the illustrations for THE BOAT FINALLLY SAILS ON 
WATER. 

*************************************************************** 

Cardboard heart also has a piece in the 28th Annual 
Rhubarb! Festival at Buddies in Bad Times Theatre. The 
piece is called fur tunes, and is an installation and 
puppet performance piece about fur and conformity. 
More about this in upcoming updates. 

*************************************************************** 

Keep fighting the happy fight, my friends. Be well and 
hope to see you soon - Noah 

I like the chaos and unpredictability of being human. It's a mess; we always 
get it wrong, but that's something to celebrate as well as weep over. - 
Jeanette Winterson



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 08:45:22 -0500
From: "Robert Rogers" <robertrogers-AT-frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Puppet Peers
To: <puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org>
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> Robert,
> 
> Point taken.  Did the critic give the show a good review.
> 
> Liz

Yes indeed!


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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:12:48 EST
From: BiersBlackwood-AT-aol.com
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Rubbery Figures
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <60.6508254a.30f7bde0-AT-aol.com>

England's Charlotte Charke, an actress who had started out in countless maid 
roles but whose talent and inclination soon got her cast in showy, funny, 
cross-dressing roles as swaggering males, also produced, directed, and starred in 
her own puppet troup featuring marionettes carved to look like famous 
politicians and public figures of her day (the 1730s).

This was a good publicity ploy, but also a brave act once the censor began to 
take an interest in everything taking place onstage, and made for some REALLY 
early "Spitting Image"-type satire.

For the most part, Charlotte used her expensively carved and costumed figures 
in comic takes on Shakespearean plays, but also in bawdy shows written by 
Henry Fielding.

Sean K.
http://www.puppets.inuk.com/americas/usroundup.htm


In a message dated 1/12/06 4:23:48 AM, jamie.ashby-AT-utoronto.ca writes:


> Not to toot the Canadian horn too long, but the Canadian puppet artist 
> Noreen
> Young, better known for her TV work for young people, was one of the first 
> to
> employ this type of TV puppetry for political satire.
> 
> Although most of the over one hundred television productions with which 
> Young
> has been involved were intended for children, in the 1970s, ?she provided an
> Ottawa-based satirical program, _What?s New_, with puppet caricatures of
> Canadian and U.S. political figures, some of which made appearances on
> national news broadcasts as well? (_Puppetry in Canada: An Art to Enchant_
> 149), as Ken McKay, the Canadian puppetry historian, writes, paving the way
> for Britain?s more famous series, _Spitting Image_ (1984-92). Young adds 
> that
> her satirical work was not limited to What?s News, as she ?did a few things
> with CODCO and mainly CBC news specials in the '70s? (qtd. in Elliott, 
> Julia,
> ?Pulling Strings: After 30 Years, Noreen Young is Still Making Friends.?
> Ottawa Citizen 6 Aug. 2005: I7.), although by the end of the decade, puppet
> caricatures had fallen ?out of favour and political correctness was the name
> of the game in the news department.?
> 
> FYI, from your resident Canadian puppet nerd.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jamie Ashby
> 



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 09:19:50 EST
From: BiersBlackwood-AT-aol.com
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Rubbery Figures
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <23b.5161f89.30f7bf86-AT-aol.com>

We did see the "Spitting Image" puppets here in the US, in specials as well 
as in at least one MTV video   -- I remember the live human host, David Frost, 
announcing at a gala full of puppet celebrities: "there is so much security 
here you'd think they were expecting a visit from Roman Polanski," or words to 
that effect.   But there was also, I believe, a Sid & Marty Kroft production 
called "The DC Follies" which tried to do the same thing "Spitting Image" had 
done.   (Or so I vaguely remember.)   Every now and then, a Newt Gingrich or 
Judge Ito puppet from that television show appears on eBay.

There have also been countless caricature-character puppets at cabaret shows 
over the years, incliding Liza Minelli and Nell Carter, Joan Rivers, etc., 
etc.

Sean K.
http://www.puppets.inuk.com/americas/usroundup.htm


In a message dated 1/12/06 4:23:20 AM, kismet-AT-bigpond.net.au writes:


> I know the UK Television had Rubbery figures but did the US?
> They were foam latex puppets of political characters that obviously 
> lampooned the political order of the day...like a political cartoon in the 
> newspaper.....mostly done on a low low budget they were quick, direct and lots of fun.
> Here is a link that I have just found that discusses the making of and has 
> LOTS of examples.... like this one....
> http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/flash/flash.php?id=60
> the australians are our long gone prime minister and treasurer!
> Have a look at
> 
> http://www.nicholsoncartoons.com.au/rubbery.php
> 
> D.
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:03:31 EST
From: Jimsan777-AT-aol.com
Subject: [Puptcrit] Good vs Bad Puppetry
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <212.1135a12a.30f7f3f3-AT-aol.com>


In a message dated 1/12/06 5:50:19, bfall-AT-TOLEDOLIBRARY.ORG writes:


> So let me ask this question:
> Can a bad puppetry show be better than no puppetry show at all?
> 
> 
When Bad Puppetry turns an audience against puppetry completely, yes, it's 
worse than none at all.   I've had "presenters" at Arts Conferences tell me they 
wouldn't book another puppet show because their audiences walked out of the 
last one!   So it ruined it for us all. Many of the public are not sufficiently 
sophisticated to distinguish good from bad.   I'm doubly amazed at hearing 
this from presnenters.

I'm also amazed when people ask for their money back when they don't enjoy a 
show... hasn't happened to me, thank God.   Do they also ask for money back at 
the cinema or if their sports team loses?   To the presenters, I ask, "Have 
you ever had another show flop, a singer, musical group, theater group, etc? 
Did you see the puppet group before you booked them?"   Musicians, actors, 
acrobats and puppeteers vary in what they offer in quality and content.   Why are 
all puppeteers gauged by one disappointing show?   Yes, Bad puppetry can turn 
off the public.

 Jim Gamble


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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:18:34 EST
From: Cahebay-AT-aol.com
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Good vs Bad Puppetry
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <111.5a197076.30f7f77a-AT-aol.com>



What is needed is a Union of Professional Puppeteers, you gain  entrance from
  another members recommendation that you fit the professional  standards of 
the
 Union.
  Commercial and Educational clients would select from the list  knowing they 
will
 Receive a performance of the highest caliber.
 The non members still have other venues available until they reach  the pro 
status
 to join,  No one is left out, non-pro and pro alike all  have their venues, 
no toes are
 stepped on 
 Regards
 Mark
 
 
_ChristianPuppeteer ?  Christian Puppeteers International  Group_ 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ChristianPuppeteer/) 






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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:46:20 -0500
From: corenste-AT-hunter.cuny.edu
Subject: [Puptcrit] (no subject)
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <20060112134620.fnip53pqd8b4c0kk-AT-webmail.hunter.cuny.edu>

Hi All,

I am a Prof. at Hunter College in New York writing on puppetry, and one 
thing I am hoping to write in the coming months is a kind of primer for 
the contemporary puppet critic: an article that explores the particular 
issues and considerations for viewing and evaluating puppetry opposed 
to live actor theatre. Considering the recent discussion here, it looks 
like this project that I've had in mind for a while is indeed a good 
idea. I would love your input.

Thanks,
feel free to reply directly to me at: corenste-AT-hunter.cuny.edu
Claudia Orenstein



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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 13:52:17 -0500 (EST)
From: "malgosia askanas" <ma-AT-panix.com>
Subject: Re: [Puptcrit] Primer for Critics
To: puptcrit-AT-lists.driftline.org
Message-ID: <200601121852.k0CIqHn26720-AT-panix2.panix.com>

Claudia Orenstein wrote:

> feel free to reply directly to me at: corenste-AT-hunter.cuny.edu

Me, I would love it if the replies also went to Puptcrit, and could be 
woven into further discussion here.

-malgosia


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