Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 17:56:38 +1100
From: hbone <hbone-AT-optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Lyotard on the "here-and-now".


Steve,

Page 118, "Something Like Communication.... Without Communication"!!

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Matthew,

Thanks for your reply.  I don't disagree,  but I think L. with his chronic
posing of riddles he never answered, wanted the  reader to study each
question, especially the last one.

TV scenes must be marked "Live" to indicate the "here-and-now" - simulations
of shuttle launches before takeoff were marked "simulated".  Documentaries
often contain a high percentage of movie footage whose "now" is unspecified.

If Lyotard hadn't loaded "sublime", "event",  "happening"  "is it happening"
so heavily with (for me, mysterious) meaning(s), I wouldn't be so curious.

Hugh

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> Hugh
>
> What's the reference page, text etc.
>
> sdv
>
> hbone wrote:
>
> >Dear All,
> >
> >In nt notes on "The Inhuman", I found the following quote:
> >
> >"The question raised by the new technologies in connection with their
> >relation to art is that of the "here-and-now".  What does 'here' mean on
the
> >phone, on television, at the receiver of an electronic telescope?  And
the
> >'now'?  Does not the 'tele'-element necessarily destroy presence, the
> >'here-and-now' of the forms and their 'carnal' reception?  What is a
place,
> >a moment, not anchored in the immediate 'passion' of what happens?  Is a
> >computer in any way here and now?  Can anything  _happen_ with it?  Can
> >anything happen  _to_  it?"
> >
> >I read "The Inhuman" sometime ago, but the above never grabbed my
attention.
> >Now, I find it intriguing, for I don't understand it.
> >
> >Since it is one of the works most quoted on the List, I'm sure some of
you
> >have studied this passage, and would appreciate comments.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Hugh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>