Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:40:45 +1100
From: hbone <hbone-AT-optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Different approach to terrorist threat


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  Steve,

  No matter how weak your generosity of spirit, please don't toss bonny Prince Charlie out the window.  

  As W.C. Fields opined, anyone who hates dogs and children can't be all bad, and P.C. must have some characteristics you approve.

  Your conservatively optimistic correspondent,

  Hugh

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  Unfortunately it (the crown) is part of the reason why tories have maintained such a sharp grip on the british social imaginary, hence the strange conservatism of england, you have to seperate Scotland, Wales and NI from the UK to understand the strangeness of the UK. I quite like the danish solution to the problem of the crown, the long slow slide into mediocracy and irrelevance, so much more humane than the unjustifiable noose...

  Funnily enough Prince Charles is an ardent tory green, by which I mean he is deeply conservative and loves trees. Endearing really but still needs defenestrating.

  In the UK the tories love the phantasy history we were taught as school children, kings, queens battles and pagantary.  During my all to short lifetime however we have discovered the history of the working class and an intimate history of humanity... I suspect that 1956 will be remembered in the long duree as not the Hungarian tragedy (terrorists or freedom fighters?) but as the moment when it became possible to write the history of ordinary people... (Yes I know dates are arbitary nonsense but forgive my rmonaticism for once..)

  regards
  sdv

  hbone wrote:

    Steve,

    I can't pass either of those tests. Last time, I voted Green. When you called me a "Tory" I was confused because, in our history books, that was a loyalist who supported the Crown.  Today,  I support the Crown.  Seems harmless - gives icy or lukewarm Brits someone to love, 

    regards,
    Hugh

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      Hugh

      It means two things - 

      When reading the term related to the USA it means right-wing conservative - possibly bordering on the evangelical christian, to the extent perhaps of being a neo-fascist. 

      In the direct UK sense it means someone who wants to turn the UK into a republic and eradicate the monarchy...

      regards
      sdv





      hbone wrote:

        Steve,

        What does Republican mean in the U.K?

        Hugh

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          Just checking - I thought that was what you were doing.  It was however entertaining to call you a republican, even one bound in the contradiction of globalisation...

          steve









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Steve,

 

No matter how weak your generosity of spirit, please don't toss bonny Prince Charlie out the window. 

 

As W.C. Fields opined, anyone who hates dogs and children can't be all bad, and P.C. must have some characteristics you approve.

 

Your conservatively optimistic correspondent,

 

Hugh

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`

 

Unfortunately it (the crown) is part of the reason why tories have maintained such a sharp grip on the british social imaginary, hence the strange conservatism of england, you have to seperate Scotland, Wales and NI from the UK to understand the strangeness of the UK. I quite like the danish solution to the problem of the crown, the long slow slide into mediocracy and irrelevance, so much more humane than the unjustifiable noose...

Funnily enough Prince Charles is an ardent tory green, by which I mean he is deeply conservative and loves trees. Endearing really but still needs defenestrating.

In the UK the tories love the phantasy history we were taught as school children, kings, queens battles and pagantary.  During my all to short lifetime however we have discovered the history of the working class and an intimate history of humanity... I suspect that 1956 will be remembered in the long duree as not the Hungarian tragedy (terrorists or freedom fighters?) but as the moment when it became possible to write the history of ordinary people... (Yes I know dates are arbitary nonsense but forgive my rmonaticism for once..)

regards
sdv

hbone wrote:

Steve,

 

I can't pass either of those tests. Last time, I voted Green. When you called me a "Tory" I was confused because, in our history books, that was a loyalist who supported the Crown.  Today,  I support the Crown.  Seems harmless - gives icy or lukewarm Brits someone to love,

 

regards,

Hugh

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hugh

It means two things -

When reading the term related to the USA it means right-wing conservative - possibly bordering on the evangelical christian, to the extent perhaps of being a neo-fascist.

In the direct UK sense it means someone who wants to turn the UK into a republic and eradicate the monarchy...

regards
sdv





hbone wrote:

Steve,

 

What does Republican mean in the U.K?

 

Hugh

 

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Just checking - I thought that was what you were doing.  It was however entertaining to call you a republican, even one bound in the contradiction of globalisation...

steve