Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2001 17:52:42 +0000
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.com>
Subject: Re: more on cyborgs and the inhuman




  Eric/All

The reference is to the p236 of the Viking press edition of Anti-Oedipus 
1977. not sure of page references in current editions...

"....Gregory bateson begins by fleeing the civilised world, by becoming 
an ethnologist and following the primative codes and savage flows; then 
he turns in the direction of flows that are more and more decoded, those 
of schizophrenia, from which he extracts an interesting psychoanalytic 
theory; then, still in search of a beyond, of another wall to break 
through, he turns to dolphins, to the language of dolphins, to flows 
that are even stranger and more deterritorialised. Bt where does the 
dolphin flux end, if not with the basic research projects of the 
American army, which brings us back to preperations for war and to the 
absorption of surplus value..."

This is in the context of a discussion of the scientific and technical 
worker...

hence my belief that Bateson is always an exemplary  member of the 
modernist tradgedy of the scientifc and technical worker...

But of course - I acknowledge that of course Batesons work is useful and 
even admirable - and agree with all you have said below regarding Bateson.

regards
steve


Mary Murphy&Salstrand wrote:

>steve.devos wrote:
>
>>To extend the Bateson references - have a look at references to
>>Bateson in the work of  Deleuze and Guattari (where his life story
>>read like a modernist tradgedy) 
>>
>
>Steve,
>
>Would you clarify this? Are you referring to fact that Bateson did work
>that was funded by the military, or someone else?
>
>Also, it is useful to know that Deleuze credits Bateson with developing
>the concept of the plateau which is so critical to Anti-Oedipus and 1000
>Plateaus.
>
>Besides critiquing the concepts on an ad hominan basis, I think it helps
>to recognize that Bateson is still useful, especially when interpreted
>in the context of Dewey and Mead and Deleuze and Guattari. 
>
>It is possible to develop a cyborgian anthropology using these rhizomes
>of concepts. That is what I am attempting to do.
>
>eric
>
>
>

HTML VERSION:

steve.devos wrote:

To extend the Bateson references - have a look at references to
Bateson in the work of  Deleuze and Guattari (where his life story
read like a modernist tradgedy) 

Steve,

Would you clarify this? Are you referring to fact that Bateson did work
that was funded by the military, or someone else?

Also, it is useful to know that Deleuze credits Bateson with developing
the concept of the plateau which is so critical to Anti-Oedipus and 1000
Plateaus.

Besides critiquing the concepts on an ad hominan basis, I think it helps
to recognize that Bateson is still useful, especially when interpreted
in the context of Dewey and Mead and Deleuze and Guattari. 

It is possible to develop a cyborgian anthropology using these rhizomes
of concepts. That is what I am attempting to do.

eric