Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 23:07:26 +0000
From: "steve.devos" <steve.devos-AT-krokodile.com>
Subject: Re: cyborg *




Glen/All

> (Perhaps there is hope for my volcanic rock after all).
>
> I would suggest it would return there first, like a boomerang;). The 
> return gives meaning in a truth sense (but definitely not in a reason 
> sense), and inertia to the differing perspectives, choices, etc.
>
Pre-cultural?  since around 1960 - Western culture - that is the areas 
of the world that 'we' live in has finally begun to realise that 
non-human animals are also 'cultural beings' whether they are 'ethical' 
and capable of there own version of ethical behavior is a question for 
them not for us. (This was not a discovery of western scientists but 
Japanese). One of the questions that is not being considered in these 
discussions is whether the application of universalising concepts such 
as 'cyborg' is philosophically acceptable in these days of empire.

(since the cat who is wandering around at the moment talking loudly to 
itself is according to Shawn and Gray a cyborg... i don't think its wise 
to ask him what he thinks of the idea...)

So where did the idea that people are ever pre-cultural come from?

regards
steve

> Pre-cultural does not necessarily mean 
> pre-that-thing-which-is-I. However ethics is certainly only a human 
> trait (or a trait which is only capable to be performed by 
> those capable of abstract thought), don't you think? We apply it to 
> include other things. I did not mean that a pomo, cyborg subjectivity 
> can never be ethical, but I created an opposition between mediation 
> and meaning.
>
>  
>
> An example of what I mean is when you return from the country to the 
> city and the noise is deafening but after a while it loses its impact 
> and your experience of the noise of the city returns to how it was 
> pre-country. The filters that you created to hear in the city are of 
> perception, somewhere between mind and body. The horror (angst, 
> anxiety) you might have felt with the constant horns, shouts, motors, 
> etc upon your return, recedes, and the peace and tranquility of the 
> country becomes another imagined line of flight, just as the horror 
> (angst, anxiety) becomes a parallel.
>
>  
>
> Glen.
>
>
>

HTML VERSION:

(Perhaps there is hope for my volcanic rock after all).

I would suggest it would return there first, like a boomerang;). The return gives meaning in a truth sense (but definitely not in a reason sense), and inertia to the differing perspectives, choices, etc.

Pre-cultural does not necessarily mean pre-that-thing-which-is-I. However ethics is certainly only a human trait (or a trait which is only capable to be performed by those capable of abstract thought), don't you think? We apply it to include other things. I did not mean that a pomo, cyborg subjectivity can never be ethical, but I created an opposition between mediation and meaning.

 

An example of what I mean is when you return from the country to the city and the noise is deafening but after a while it loses its impact and your experience of the noise of the city returns to how it was pre-country. The filters that you created to hear in the city are of perception, somewhere between mind and body. The horror (angst, anxiety) you might have felt with the constant horns, shouts, motors, etc upon your return, recedes, and the peace and tranquility of the country becomes another imagined line of flight, just as the horror (angst, anxiety) becomes a parallel.

 

Glen.